Answering Vivekananda & Vedanta

Answering Vivekananda & Vedanta

Wednesday 18 April 2012

Swami Vivekananda and Islam, Criticism no 6:

Criticism no 6:



 " The most curious thing was the code of war of those days; as soon as the battle for the day ceased and evening came, the opposing parties were good friends, even going to each other's tents; however, when the morning came, again they proceeded to fight each other. That was the strange trait that the Hindus carried downto the time of the Mohammedan invasion.

Then again, a man on horseback must not strike one on foot; must not poison the weapon; must not vanquish the enemy in any unequal fight, or by dishonesty; and must never take undue advantage of another and so on. If any deviated from these rules he would be covered with dishonour and shunned. The Kshatriyas were trained in that way. And when the foreign invasion came from Central Asia, the Hindus treated the invaders in the same way. They defeated them several times, and on as many occasions sent them back to their homes with presents etc. The code laid down was that they must not usurp anybody's country; and when a man was beaten, he must be sent back to his country with due regard to his position. The Mohammedan conquerors treated the Hindu kings differently, and when they got them once, they destroyed them without remorse." 


(Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda Vol IV. 93-4)


Response: 



The new millennium began with the rise of Islamic power in the world, and it is ending with an established Western dominance of the globe. Both these developments changed the nature of the world, but had particularly profound effects on India. For one thing the governance of India shifted from the collection of diverse Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms (just described) at the end of the last millennium to a diversity of Islamic rules, culminating in the Moghal empire.

It must also be recollected the nearly all the major world religions other than Islam were already well represented in India well before the last millennium.

Cause for Invasion : Construction or Destruction ?

Pre-Islamic India!

The Indian subcontinent - to looked at our own locality - also was not devoid of divisions and wars. As the year 1000 A.D. approached, the Palas ruled over Bengal and Bihar, the Pratiharas reigned over West india and the upper Ganges valley, Cholas governed Tamil Nadu, Chandellas controlled Bundelkhand, Kalachuris had Madhya Pradesh, Chahamanis ruled East Rajasthan, Paramaras were in charge of Malwa, and while one line of Chalukyas reigned over West and Central Deccan, another was powerful in Gujarat. King Rajaraja of the Chola dynasty conquered Sri Lanka as the millennium came to an end.

It is worth beginning by recollecting that even pre-Muslim India was not just Hindu India. Indeed, to begin with the most obvious, perhaps the greatest Indian emperor in the pre-Muslim period was a Buddhist, to wit, Ashoka, and there were other great non-Hindu emperors, including Harsha.


In response of Caliph Umar’s question about the Makran region, the Messenger from Makran who bring the news of the victory told him:

'O Commander of the faithful! It's a land where the plains are stony; Where water is scanty; Where the fruits are unsavory Where men are known for treachery; Where plenty is unknown; Where virtue is held of little account; And where evil is dominant; A large army is less for there; And a less army is use less there; The land beyond it, is even worst (referring to Sind).}}

Umar looked at the messenger and said: "Are you a messenger or a poet? He replied “Messenger”. Thereupon Caliph Umar, after listening to the unfavorable situations for sending an army instructed Hakim bin Amr al Taghlabi that for the time being Makran should be the easternmost frontier of the Rashidun Caliphate, and that no further attempt should be made to extend the conquests. Thereupon on of the commander of Islamic army in Makran said the following verses:

“ If the Commander of faithful wouldn’t have stopped us from going beyond, so we would have bought our forces to the temple of prostitutes ”

Referring to the Hindu Temple in interior Sind where prostitutes use to give a part of their earning as charity.

Zaheeruddin Babar in his Autobiography 'Tuzuk-i-Babari,' (Founder of Mughal Dynasty, Ruled India 1526-1530).

There are neither good horses in India, nor good meat, nor grapes, nor melons, nor ice, nor cold water, nor baths, nor candle, nor candlestick, nor torch. In the place of the candle, they use the divat. It rests on three legs: a small iron piece resembling the snout of a lamp... Even in case of Rajas and Maharajas, the attendants stand holding the clumsy divat in their hands when they are in need of a light in the night.

There is no arrangement for running water in gardens and buildings. The buildings lack beauty, symmetry, ventilation and neatness. Commonly, the people walk barefooted with a narrow slip tied round the loins. Women wear a dress ...?

The Invasion!

The invasion of Sind by Muhammad Ibn Qasim al-Thaqafi in 713 A.D. was precipitated by the failure of Dahir, the ruler of Sind, to punish the pirates who had interfered with Muslim shipping near the coast of his province.[10] The Muslim kings and emperors who ruled over India for over one thousand years were not colonial rulers. Those who had gone there from other countries made the sub-continent their own home. They did not make any discrimination between religious communities but gave equal opportunity and ensured social justice to all irrespective of their religious affinity. In fact, the Muslim rulers-the Khaljis, the Lodis, the Syeds and the Mughals- kept the indigenous Muslims, who constituted the bulk of Indian Muslims, at a safe distance from the apparatus of power. In the words of Iqbal Ansari, "It is the greatest travesty of facts to call this period of dynastic rule of Persian and Turkish origin as Muslim rule. Islam did make its presence felt during this period on Indian social and cultural life. But Islam did not play a dominant role in statecraft. The conquest of India by Islam was again not on the agenda of the Muslim kings. Islam and its promotion was not even a major factor in state policies."[11] This is well-established by the fact that although Delhi remained the capital of Muslim rulers for 647 years (1211-1858 A.D.), the Muslims were a small minority there throughout the period. According to the 1971 census, the Muslims of Delhi constituted only 7.8 percent of the total population of the city. The bulk of the indigenous converted Muslims- artisans, craftsmen, and tillers- did not enjoy any privilege under the system of Muslim rule. Rather high caste groups from among Hindus enjoyed greater privileges under the patronage of the Muslim monarchies. In many cases, the most important jobs like those of ministers and chiefs of army were given to non-Muslims, especially Hindus.

 Ref:

10. Encyclopedia of Islam, New Edition, vol. VII, Netherlands, 1991, p. 405.

11. Iqbal A. Ansari, The Muslim Situation in India, New Delhi, 1989, p.12.
Codes of War:

"Fight against those who fight you in the way of Allah, but do not Transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors"---- (Quran 2:190)

Here the Fundamental principles of War are;

1. Individuals cannot wage a War.

2. An Islamic state has been enjoined to fight but only in the way of Allah. A state cannot fight for material gains nor can it fight to establish the ruler's own supremacy.

3. The State has been allowed to fight against only those who are at war with it or who have waged a war against it.

4. Even if the time of war comes the muslim army has to follow certain codes.
And it was made clear that Allah does not like those who transgress the limits.( Syed yusuf Ali Translation)

The codes Muslims have to follow during War are;

1.Women, children, the old and the injured in the enemy camp must not be attacked.

2.Those who are busy worshipping god must not be hurt.

3.Crops and trees not be destroyed.

4.Animals not to be killed.

5.Deadbodies of enemies not to be mutialiated.

Warning:

Those who do not observe these instructions have been warned that all their struggle and sacrifice will go in Vain rather they would be considered transgressors in the eyes of Allah.

What did the Islamic influence do to India?

India is the seventh largest country in the world, and the second largest in Asia. Before the advent of Muslims, the country was fragmented into small warring states and there was no concept of Indian nationalism. The Muslim rulers, especially the Mughals, unified the country and gave it a central administration. They called the country Hind and Hindustan, i.e. a country of the Hindus (non-Muslims). The name 'India', a distortion of Hind, was given to her by the British rulers. But the new religion brought by Prophet Mohammad emphasized mono-theism with great vigor and, as a corollary advocated and to a great extent, practiced equality among men of different race, colour and social strata. This message of equality attracted a large number of converts and it soon spread to other parts of the land.

The impact of the invaders from the north-west and of Islam on India had been considerable. It had pointed out and shone up the abuses that had crept into Hindu society - the petrification of caste, untouchability, exclusiveness carried to fantastic lengths. The idea of the brotherhood of Islam and the theoretical equality of its adherents made a powerful appeal especially to those in the Hindu fold who were denied any semblance of equal treatment.?

Dr. Pattabhi Sitaramayya, Presidential Address to the Fifty-fifth Session of the Indian Congress, Jaipur, 1948.

(The Muslims had) enriched our culture, strengthened our administration, and brought near distant parts of the country... It (the Muslim Period) touched deeply the social life and the literature of the land.?

Humayun Kabir in 'The Indian Heritage,' 1955, p. 153.

Islam's democratic challenge has perhaps never been equaled by any other religious or social system. Its advent on the Indian scene was marked by a profound stirring of consciousness. It modified the basis of Hindu social structure throughout northern India.?

N.S. Mehta, in 'Islam and the Indian Civilization,' reproduced in 'Hindustan ke Ahd-i-Wusta ki ek Jhalak,' by S.A. Rahman.

Islam had brought to India a luminous torch which rescued humanity from darkness at a time when old civilizations were on the decline and lofty moral ideals had got reduced to empty intellectual concepts. As in other lands, so in India too, the conquests of Islam were more widespread in the world of thought than in the world of politics. Today, also, the Islamic World is a spiritual brotherhood which is held together by community of faith in the Oneness of God and human equality. Unfortunately, the history of Islam in this country remained tied up for centuries with that of government with the result that a veil was cast over its true spirit, and its fruits and blessings were hidden from the popular eye.?

Prof. K.M. Panikkar in 'A Survey of Indian History,' 1947, p. 163.

One thing is clear. Islam had a profound effect on Hinduism during this period. Medieval theism is in some ways a reply to the attack of Islam; and the doctrine of medieval teachers by whatever names their gods are known are essentially theistic. It is the one supreme God that is the object of the devotee's adoration and it is to His grace that we are asked to look for redemption.?

Dr. Gustav le Bon in 'Les Civilisations de L'Inde' (translated by S.A. Bilgrami).

"There does not exist a history of ancient India. Their books contain no historical data whatever, except for a few religious books in which historical information is buried under a heap of parables and folk-lore, and their buildings and other monuments also do nothing to fill the void for the oldest among them do not go beyond the third century B.C. To discover facts about India of the ancient times is as difficult a task as the discovery of the island of Atlantis, which, according to Plato, was destroyed due to the changes of the earth... The historical phase of India began with the Muslim invasion. Muslims were India's first historians.

Sir William Digby in 'Prosperous India: A Revelation,' p. 30.

"Someone has said that Europeans in South Africa dread the advent of Islam - Islam that civilized Spain - Islam that took the torch of light to Morocco and preached to the world the Gospel of brotherhood. The Europeans of South Africa dread the advent of Islam, as they may claim, equality with the white races. They may well dread it. If brotherhood is a sin, If it is equality of coloured races that they dread, then their dread is well founded."

Mahatma Gandhi quoted in Muhammed The prophet of the Islam: by Ramakrishna Rao Page 8.

Peace!

15 comments:

  1. This is a nice article on the whole where you have very intelligently shown how the advent of islam in india was important in the sense that it opened up the indian mindset to new changes happening in the world and destroyed many of evil practices and corruption that had crept into the indian society...

    But there are some places in the article where your account looses focus and you say,or quote, things which are unacceptable..

    As for example...about the little importance of ancient india in building up of the nation,their effectivness and greatness..

    you say,just like colonial british used to say,that muslims unified the country and gave it a central administration,... you forget that even before muslims there were many Indigenous rulers in indian subcontinent who established central administration like Ashoka,Chandragupta,Vikramaditya etc

    Secondly,you quote such very false words of a historian who wrote his book much before much of indian history was unearthed..

    "There does not exist a history of ancient India. Their books contain no historical data whatever, except for a few religious books in which historical information is buried under a heap of parables and folk-lore, and their buildings and other monuments also do nothing to fill the void for the oldest among them do not go beyond the third century B.C. To discover facts about India of the ancient times is as difficult a task as the discovery of the island of Atlantis, which, according to Plato, was destroyed due to the changes of the earth... The historical phase of India began with the Muslim invasion. Muslims were India's first historians.

    Sir William Digby in 'Prosperous India: A Revelation,' p. 30.


    I totally agree with you when you say that muslims brought a fresh air into the rottening indian society of that time but please dont stretch it to such aggragated extent,by denouncing ALL of OUR ANCIENT PAST,that you start sounding like the right wing fanatic you so deeply Despise.

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  2. Dear Vishal,

    As you can see that most of my articles and the responses focus on the crude misunderstanding that Swami Vivekananda had on Islam. If you are looking at something other than the response to the criticism of Swami Vivekananda on Islam, then you are in the wrong place.

    Now if you look at the criticism no 6, where Swamiji speaks about the Muslim Invasion and the war ethics practiced by Hindus and portrays Muslims as barbarians whose intention was just loot and murder.

    In my response I have tried to clear that misconception by stating the CAUSE of Invasion, and the rules that are to be followed by Muslims during war and finally how it benefited the conditions in India.

    I never denounced the ancient past or the culture of India, I just showed the conditions that were prevalent just before the invasion of Muslims to India.

    I do not need to comment on the history of India as that is not related to the criticism of Swamiji on Islam.

    Peace!

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    1. Muhammed bin Qasin did sanction arresting the sons and daughters of enemy combatants.
      As for equal footing of hindus, the rulers of the delhi sultanate were definitely unwilling to give it. Even among Mughals Akbar abolished jizya but Aurangzeb implemented it again and he did persecute hindus.
      Just look at the case of Prithviraj Chauhan, for all his honourable treatment of Ghouri and Aibak he was blinded and put in a cell by them. Timur also conquered delhi for the sole purpose of looting it and used massacre of 10000 innocent "Hindus" as excuse (in the sense that he wanted to do it as punishment for 'Kafirs'.

      Don't get me wrong, I do acknowledge the contributions of Islamic dynasties to India. I also believe in the greatness of the message of brotherhood given by Islam. However when you put too much importance to a book the so called "jehadis" are born because reason is discouraged by blind faith. And the kuran does ask blind faith in all its verses including the intolerance of people of other religions.

      As for the "CAUSE for invasion" inability of a foreign land's administration to deal with pirates in their land is no reason for invasion. You just tell your merchants to go somewhere else or if you wage war you return to your land after dealing with the underlying problem.

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    2. you are living in fool's paradise..what do you know about your history before the advent of islam..well you know nothing...for 500yrs from 634 AD till 1192AD the muslim invaders kept trying to invade their ancestral roots but failed miserably and to quote some foolish poet out of context is the kind of jignoism the muslims resort to in explaining their nascent roots...swamiji is absolutely right in his view because if not for our shastras Md gohri would have been a slave..in addition to that don't be naive when you claim that mughals or their predecessors like the khiljis, lodis or the tughlaqs had any sympathy for hindus, all of them were murderers and islamic xenophopbics who tried in vain to destroy the hindu civilisation by forced conversions, mass murders, destruction of our history and our religious places just like the islamic invasions were able to achieve in arabia because the people their were followers of our gods and their religion was not native to them because of which they succumbed easily..
      For 1400yrs the hindu has fought to save his religion and he will continue to do so and what you ought to do is to get a grip on your own shrouded history and ask your islamic scholars where you come from and you will find that your history is in response to the spread of vedas and not otherwise just like the rest of the world.
      Akbar was smart enough to understand that it was impossible for him to convert all the hindus and since he wanted to establish his rule he decided to appeal to the natives just like the british afterhim..he was like any other muslim conqueror in his zeal to spread islam and destroy the very roots of our religion.
      swamiji is more benevolent that you can ever grasp in explaining the effect of advent of islam than you can comprehend because he truly believed that the historical wrong can't be set right and the progress and unity of this nation depended on hindu-muslim unity.
      you were a hindu in the bygone time whatsoever you may believe now.
      as far as mughals contributing anything to this nation is concerned it is restricted to the mughals amassing unimaginable wealth at the expense of it's people and living lavishly.taj mahal is not a memorial to love but a reminder of cruelty of mughals..
      we hindus have always been compassionte and benevolent and continue to be so irrespective of the fallacies and mistruths spread about us.
      we hindus were forced to live as zimmis in our own land and fought tooth and nail for the survival of our religion against islamic rulers
      my only querry to you is- what is the history of arabia before the spread of islam? if you try and find the answer to that you will be cured of your ignorance..jai hind

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  3. how dare you speak ill of the patriot saint of India you traitor...you are not Indian...he was not against the race of Islam he was against its satanic rulers like you..there is no use in pouring water on a hard stone like you...Amen..Jesus loves you

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  4. you speak of peace while you are the one trying to disturb it..this soil has given you life and you speak ill of the sons of this soil...be ready for the judgement day...satan loves you like his own son...amen
    angel protects you if you follow peace

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  5. @Issanth: I never spoke Ill of Swamiji, I have acknowledged his great views on Freedom movement in India. If you just read my Initial post I have stated that he was a great person. But he was a Human Being and Humans tend to err and I have just tried to explain how Swamiji's understanding of Islam was wrong. I don't agree with his interpretation of Islam because by his writings he had understood nothing about Islam that same applies to Christianity.

    I have not written these articles blindly but with proofs to back up my claims.

    I am not a ruler lol! There is no use in playing flute in front of a Buffalo applies to you too.

    Peace does not mean compromise with falsehood. Real peace can only be acquired when we fight against falsehood and expose the truth. This soil has Given me life and has also thought me to speak the Truth. "Satyamewa Jayathe" Truth alone Triumphs has always been the slogan of this land and I am proud to be a strict adherent of such belief.

    Peace!

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  6. @Sameer: Among the most widely propagated myths in the world today is that Hinduism is the most tolerant religion and that it has had no history of persecuting the followers of other faiths. The advocates of Hinduism leave no stone unturned to make the masses believe this myth. The most favourite tactic of the modern advocates of Hinduism to divert attention from the actual history of Hinduism has been to demonize Islam and link it to oppression, terror, plunder, and what not. We often hear Hindutvavadi zealots using phrases like 'Muslim genocide of Hindus', 'Muslims destroyed Hindu temples', 'Forcible conversion of Hindus to Islam', and on and on.So far they have been able to hypnotize the naïve Hindu masses by this tactic and control their minds.

    Please visit my post on Why were Hindu Temples destroyed and should Muslims be held sole responsible for it or Hindus rulers too who did the same with temples and it's wealth what some Muslims did.

    The problem is not with "Jihad" but it's interpretation in the media. Jihad means "Struggle" not a holy war or something. I found many wrong things about Islam in Swami Vivekananda's understanding of Islam and I "Struggle" to correct it, it's my Jihad. First Understand Islam and then try to find fault in it. I challange you to show me a single sentence in the Quran that is against Humanity or Human Rights. Quran often asks people to think, understand. Reason & Logic are the best tools to understand Quran.

    Allah swt claims in the Quran to be the Creator and sustainer of every living thing on earth. It is also stated that every Human being is born as a Muslim (One who submits will to God) and it's later on the parents mould his belief into other religion. So it is the duty of the creation to acknowledge his/her Creator, failing to do so accounts to treason. And traitors are punished in the end.

    We Muslims are not advised to wage war against non Muslims but are advised to convey the message of Truth of Islam like the prophets did. Thats what we do. Killing Innocents is not part of Islam, it's part of saten.

    The best example is the people of Taif, when Prophet tried to convey the Message of Islam thay stoned him, an angel was sent by God to seek the permission of prophet to destroy the entire city of Taif, but inspite of being covered in blood from the wounds he forgave them and prayed for generations from that people who would be Muslims.

    The Invasion was not part of my plan, it was then. Muslim women & Children traveling along the merchants were held captive, and India was an Important trading destination. Running away from pirates accounts to cowardice.

    Peace!

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  7. jsradhe: A fool is One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding. A mentally deficient person; an idiot. I very well know the version of History you are speaking about. Recently Saffronists had tried altering the history in the textbooks and trying to insert their own version of history that has no basis in the History of the world.

    Before you speak of Islam lets understand how was the religious tolerance of Aryans towards non aryans

    किं ते कर्ण्वन्ति कीकटेषु गावो नाशिरं दुह्रे न तपन्तिघर्मम |
    आ नो भर परमगन्दस्य वेदो नैचाशाखं मघवन्रन्धयानः ||

    "O Indra, what do the cows make for you among the Kikatas? They neither yield milk for your offerings, nor do they warm the vessel of libation. Bring to us these cows; bring to us also the wealth of Parmagand (their King). O Brave one, grant us the possessions of the people of low status." [Rigveda 3:53:14]

    These non-Aryans have been described at several places in the Vedas as anyavratam अन्यव्रतम (followers of another religion or creed), amaanusham अमानुषम (not human), ayajvaanam अयज्वानम (not performing Yajna) [Refer to Rigveda 8/70/11]

    Following mantras from the Rig-Veda illustrate the hatred of other religious groups:

    अकर्मा दस्युरभि नो अमन्तुरन्यव्रतो अमानुषः |
    तवन्तस्यामित्रहन वधर्दासस्य दम्भय ||

    “Around us is the Dasyu, practicing no religious rites, not knowing us thoroughly, inhuman, following other laws. Baffle, you Slayer of the foe, the strength of this Daasa.” [Rigveda 10/22/8]

    Intolerance towards Buddhists

    In the Ayodhya Kaanda of Valmiki Ramayana, a Buddhist was compared to a thief and the Tathagatas to atheists (Naastiks). It said:

    यथा हि चोर स्स तथा हि बुद्ध-
    स्तथागतं नास्तिकमत्र विद्धि।

    As a thief, so is Buddha. Know that Tathagatas are atheists. [Sarga 109; shloka 34]

    The Yajnavalkya Smriti says that the very sight of a monk with red robes and shaven head (referring to Buddhists), even in a dream, is a bad sign. [Yajnavalkya SmritiI/272-273]

    The great philosopher of Hinduism, Shankaracharya, said that the Buddha was suffering from what we know as schizophrenia. Shankaracharya said that

    "he (Buddha) was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beings induced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused.--So that--and this the Sûtra means to indicate--Buddha's doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness."

    [Shankar Bhashya on Brahmasutra 2/2/32]

    Were Buddhists persecuted by Hindus? Yes, they were

    The Shankar Digvijaya of Madhava (earliest authentic biography of Shankaracharya) refers to Malayali King Sudhanva's brutal extermination of Buddhists at the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta.

    The king (Sudhanva) commanded his servants "kill all Buddhists from Himalaya to Rameshvaram, even children and elderly. Whosoever will not kill them, will be killed at my hands." [93]

    At the instigation of Kumarila Bhatta, the king killed the Buddhists, the opponents (of the Hindu religion) just like a Yogi destroys the disturbances. [95]

    [Madhava-Vidyaranya, Sankara Digvijaya Sarg 1; shlokas 93-95]

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  8. jsradhe: Intolerance towards Jains

    The jains also were not immune to the Brahmanic persecution. Like Buddhism, the Jain religion is also reviled in the Hindu scriptures. Padma Puran Bhumi Khand 2/38/25-27 says

    जैनधर्मं समाश्रित्य सर्वे पापप्रमोहिताः

    वेदाचारं परित्यज्य पापं यास्यन्ति मानवाः

    पापस्य मूलमेवं वै जैनधर्मो न संशयः ,

    अनेन मुग्धा राजेंद्र महामोहेन पातिताः

    "Men deluded by sins, resort to the Jaina religion. They abandon the Vedic practices and will committ sins. There is no doubt that the Jaina faith is the root of sin. O best King, the fall of those men, who are sinners, is brought about by this great delusion (i.e Jainism)."

    Sectarian Intolerance within Hinduism

    Shaivites and Vaishnavites are the two major sects under the umbrella name 'Hinduism', takinng Shiva and Vishnu respectively as the chief objects of their worship. Srimad Bhagvata Purana is a Vaishnava scripture. Concerning Shiva Bhaktas (devotees) it says,

    भवव्रतधरा ये च ये च तान् समनुव्रताः

    पाखंडिनस्ते भवन्तु सच्छास्त्रपरिपन्थि

    मुमुक्षवो घोररूपान् हित्वा भूतपतीनथ ,

    नारायणकलाः शान्ताः भजन्तीत्यनसूयवः

    "One who takes a vow to satisfy Shiva or who follows such principles will certainly become an atheist and be diverted from transcendental scriptural injunctions. Those who vow to worship Shiva are so foolish that they imitate him by keeping long hair on their heads. When initiated into worship of Lord Śiva, they prefer to live on wine, flesh and other such things." [Bhagvatapuran 4/2/28-29]

    So before you speak against other religion, you should do your homework.

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  9. jsradhe:Just a simple response to your absurd claim is that though Muslims ruled India for more than 800 years, though they had the potential to convert each and every Hindu, though they had the potential to destroy the entire Country. They did not do it. Hindus are still in Majority (>80% of total population of India) This is the strongest proof that destroys the Myth of Ruthless barbaric Muslims killing millions of Hindus, Raping & Looting everything, Burning and destroying everything on their way. Beautiful Muslim artictures all over India are solid proof for Muslim contribution to India.

    TajMahel the 7th wonder of the world in the land of Hindus (Hindustan) was built by Muslims :)

    On the other hand the religions that were born on this very land Buddhism & Jainism were persecuted and expelled from the land of it's birth. Buddhists & Jains account for less than 4% of population of India, thats a shame.

    Regarding the History of Arabia before advent of Islam you can refer my other blog "Kaaba is not a Hindu Temple".

    A true man is scared of no one.

    Peace!

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  10. Mr. Imran, i read ur full thread & every single comment from u revolves around the idea that u know better about history, philosophy & Islam than Swamiji.. please take caution regarding ur thoughts & remember the Guru of Swamiji, Sr Ramakrishna, was an initiate in Islam as well & his ENLIGHTENED mystical understanding of the truth in Islam has to be 1000 times greater than 7 countries of blind people of Asia put together, then & now.. it is very natural for a person to defend their own faith & INDIA RESPECTS FREEDOM OF THOUGHT & SPEECH.. but beware to try to conjure up judgements about all the WRONG people born in history amid ALL RELIGIONS, ISLAM TOO.. do not try to justify them for a sake of ur own silly misplaced religious pride..

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    1. @ Sane Person

      I never even once said/ say that I know history & Philosophy better than Swamiji. No I dont. But I know Islam better. After comprehending Swamiji's knowledge on Islam, it's clear that Swamiji did not understand the History, Philosophy and teachings of Islam.

      In my previous posts I have also showed how enlightened was Shri Ramakrishna on Islam. You need not look at the people of 7 countries for that, but Quran & Hadith are enough.

      I Respect my Country for the freedom it has given me i.e freedom of speech and thought.My justification of religious personalities in Islam is based on proof, whereas Swamiji's criticism is based on the various cultures and out look of Muslims, who have never understood Islam themselves!

      Peace!

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    1. Dear,
      Nirupam Das.

      Well you have tried your best to answer my criticism of Swamiji ....as usual a swami fan or more comprehensively a hindutvawadi does I.e by criticizing Islam and Muslims. My response to Swamiji's criticism is like a question that you are supposed to answer. Instead by counter questioning Islam and Muslims you have proved that my criticism of Swamiji is right.

      It's sheer blind faith that compells you to swallow what ever is supposedly said by Swamiji. He said Buddhism is fulfilment of hinduism and you swallowed it. Forget about the scriptures and try to find out Where did Buddhism and Jainism originate? And what was their cause of decline in India. And plz dont refer texts of hindutvawadis. ..they will point fingers at Muslims as usual. Refer Buddhist and Jain sources. The cause of destruction and decline of these two religions in India is none other than Hinduism or vedic dharm.

      The history is bloody when it comes to the survival of buddhism and jainism against brahmanism. The persecution, destruction and conversions. Just google it if you have doubt. Today both Buddhism and Jainism do not constitute a mere 5% of Indian polpulation. That too in the land were they originated. Today they are not part of Hinduism. They are different minority religions and do not want to be associated with Hinduism.

      Everyone knows what Swamiji said in Chicago speech in religious conference. But let me ask you one question, what was the religion of Swami Vivekananda? And what does It says about other religions ? Nothing! Then how can Swamiji speak of Universal religion? In simple words Hinduism knows no other religion. Learned people appreciate new things, that's what the Americans did when they heard Hinduism for the very first time.

      We do not see any respect for other religions in his entire work. Even after centuries of co existence both Christians and Muslims were seen as outsiders by Swamiji. Swamiji could not see the numerous humanitarian work undertaken by Christian missionaries but what he could see through his narrow vision was criticism of evil practices of hinduism which he thought was an insult on hinduism. That is the reason why he opposed the reform movements and sticked on to the orthodox hindu ritualistic practices.

      Many christians have answered Swamiji's misunderstanding of Christianity and Jesus christ...I would not comment on that as I am only concerned about Islam.

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